way ahead of the economy. the economy is not doing badly. >> neil: what is behind the companies spending all this cash in apple's case, hiking its dividend, and everything else? they're doing something didn't used to do. are you encouraged by that? look can how they're spending that? >> well, hiking the dividends, increasing the buybacks don't increase competitiveness. so if you don't get demand in this economy, don't get growth this, whole idea about jobs -- we have this conversation all the time. people talking about, let's have more job. why aren't people hiring? because we don't have the demand, and we've got to create a society that looks at growing the pie, making the pie bigger, getting gdp up to 3-1/2 to 4%, and letting everybody benefit from the growth. that what we're after. >> neil: you were back running ge and you vastly expanded that empire -- you would not be inclined to expand plant equipment, maybe if you had a cash to work with you would you do the stuff apple is doing, the kind of stuff comca